Posts by Esse quam videri

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Vow of Obedience and Poverty? WTF??

by NikL in

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listener on here started a cool thread about the april 2017 wt which can be found here.... https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4881380162928640/watchtower-april-2017-overview.

it got me to look at it closer and in the opening study they use terminology i've never heard used before namely, "vow of obedience and poverty".... 19 currently, there are some 67,000 members of the worldwide order of special full-time servants of jehovah’s witnesses.

some perform bethel service, others engage in construction or in circuit work, serve as field instructors or special pioneers or missionaries or as assembly hall or bible school facility servants.

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' ...Some perform Bethel service, others engage in construction or in circuit work, serve as field instructors or special pioneers or missionaries or as Assembly Hall or Bible school facility servants. They are all bound by a “Vow of Obedience and Poverty,” with which they agree to do whatever is assigned to them in the advancement of Kingdom interests ...'

Br. Project Superintendant: [ who hasn't had dirt under his finger nails since he was 11]: Oh, hello Brother Schmuck. I see you have just come to work on our new branch project and I see also that you have signed the 'Vow of Obedience and Poverty'. Is that correct Brother S.?

Br. S. : Yes. I signed the 'Vow of Obedience and Poverty' last Friday.

Br. P.S.: Yes I know, I was just checking to make sure you understood what you were signing. I don't really care about the Poverty part. That naturally comes along with the position. What I am more interested is the Obedience part. So Bro S. are you ready for your first chores for the day?

Br. S: Yes, I can't wait to get started.

Br. PS: Good, good. You see that big pile of sand over there?

Br. S: Yes, I see it.

Br. PS: Good, good. Well, I want you to take this shovel and that wheelbarrow over there and go over to the pile of sand over there and shovel some sand into the wheelbarrow. Then I want you to wheel the wheelbarrow full of sand, and we do want it to be full Br. S, and then dump it beside the pile of rocks over there.

Br. S: What? That pile of sand if huge. Is anyone else going to help me?

Br. PS: No, no. You will be shoveling and wheeling all the sand by yourself.

Br. S: That will take me weeks.

Br. PS: Probably. What a privilege you have in working hard for kingdom interests. When you get that done come and tell me. We will find another 'Kingdom Privilege' chore for you. I'll be in the office. Have to go, it's getting cold out here.

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5 Ways to Improve Your Online Security

by Simon in

let's face it, we're all connected now.

we take it for granted that we access our bank accounts from our laptops or phones.

it's so convenient.

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M-Passwords

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Have you ever known a holocaust denier? How did you feel about them?

by Esse quam videri in

i sometimes did work for a lovely old couple who at times needed repairs done around their home.

my wife and myself spent time with them, having tea and crackers from time to time.

one day the husband and myself got into a conversation and he clearly showed himself to be a holocaust denier.

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Thank you David_Jay for your comments.

I find it interesting how a simple question that just pops into mind can lead to posts expanding on the subject to such a degree. The life stories of so many on this forum are absorbing and fascinating. Thanks to all.

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Have you ever known a holocaust denier? How did you feel about them?

by Esse quam videri in

i sometimes did work for a lovely old couple who at times needed repairs done around their home.

my wife and myself spent time with them, having tea and crackers from time to time.

one day the husband and myself got into a conversation and he clearly showed himself to be a holocaust denier.

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It wasn't Farben by any chance was it? IG Farber was a major user of Jewish slave labour from Auswitch during the war.

It was Thyssen. Lot's of creepy things found when you turn over that rock. Apparently Bush's grandpa made his fortune from the Nazi's with Thyssen involvment. You need a strong stomach when you start researching companies like Thyssen, Krupp, Bayer, Nestle' [that's right] etc. and let's not forget Ford, Standard Oil and IBM.

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Justice catches up with 101-year-old paedophile. Not a JW but.....

by pleaseresearch in

was in the car listening to the radio of a 101 year old pedophile.

i loved the detective who spoke and said "the day that not prosecuting someone who hurts a child is not in the public interest, we may as well all just pack up and go home.".

this makes me feel sick to my stomach even more at what the australian royal commission investigated.. .

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It is hoped that one day, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but one day justice will come knocking on the door of everyone who really deserves it, no matter how old they are.

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Have you ever known a holocaust denier? How did you feel about them?

by Esse quam videri in

i sometimes did work for a lovely old couple who at times needed repairs done around their home.

my wife and myself spent time with them, having tea and crackers from time to time.

one day the husband and myself got into a conversation and he clearly showed himself to be a holocaust denier.

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I sometimes did work for a lovely old couple who at times needed repairs done around their home. My wife and myself spent time with them, having tea and crackers from time to time. One day the husband and myself got into a conversation and he clearly showed himself to be a holocaust denier. It was upsetting to hear this from the mouth of someone I liked. I quickly changed the way I thought about him and as time went on I couldn't stand the thought of being in his presence. I did some research on his last name and it was the same as a family owning a major German industrial corporation involved in all kinds of war manufacturing during the Nazi era. Maybe just a coincidence, maybe he was a relative, maybe a former SS. Who knows? But the thoughts do run through your mind.

If you know or knew a holocaust denier, how did you feel about them?

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...Technically the congregation owns it...

by Esse quam videri in

i was talking to one of my customers about the newly replaced kingdom hall on westminster highway in richmond, b.c.

she does not know i used to be a witness.

she was telling me how the labour is all donated and they only pay for the materials.

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I was talking to one of my customers about the newly replaced Kingdom Hall on Westminster Highway in Richmond, B.C. She does not know I used to be a Witness. She was telling me how the labour is all donated and they only pay for the materials. I suggested that they do not really own the Kingdom Hall, but rather, it is owned by the Society. She said "...technically the Landsdowne Congregation owns it..." What is that supposed to mean? I did not get into it. Does the congregation have documents proving their ownership or is this just in her mind, thinking, ".. it's our Kingdom Hall, we must own it.."?

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If You Could Ask the GB Or One Of Its Members...

by Cold Steel in

...one question about anything and get a straight answer, what would it be?

historical, philosophical, theological, eschatological, anything.

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Have you had unclean thoughts about women in your congregation and if so what were they? All the details please with dates and names.

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"It is the victims right to approach authorities" The weak excuse used by the society

by stuckinarut2 in

we have seen that the society falls back on the line "it is the victims right to approach the authorities" during all the abuse claims.. they use this excuse to try and defend the passive lack of action in failing to report suspected cases of abuse.. a comparison came to mind:.

if we came across a person lying in the street who says they were hit by a car, would we say "it is your absolute right to call the paramedics and police"?.

or would we take the initiative and call those authorities ourselves to help the person?.

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If we came across a person lying in the street who says they were hit by a car, would we say "It is your absolute right to call the paramedics and police"?
"..However, if you do call the paramedics and police we might tell everyone we know, including your friends and relatives, to never speak to you again..."

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Was kidnap victim Sherri Papini a JW?

by NikL in

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sherri papini is that woman kidnapped in california and released on thanksgiving day making the news right now.. during one of the reports this morning on the today show there was a quick scene of an investigation going on at a kingdom hall.

there was crime tape up and everything.

credit goes to my wife for catching it.. i just wondered why the kingdom hall was a crime scene when she was abducted and released somewhere else?anybody else catch this?.

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StarTrekAngel

A while back there was a break in to a house next door to our KH. The police came with 5 min to the start of the midweek meeting to see if the cameras from the hall may have caught a glimpse of the perpetrators. The elders dropped everything and began retrieving videos with this exaggerated sense of duty in their faces.

I imagine they would be just as eager if the police were seeking video of a child molestation at the KH. Maybe not. Probably tell the police we have to call New York for direction.